It doesn't really matter. The two split up, but reconnected when Robert invited Linda to come out to California. Linda and Robert had a daughter named Tanya in 1968. It was at this point of time that she got associated with the Manson family and became a part of their horrific crimes. Murder Cases of the Twentieth Century - Biographies and Bibliographies of 280 Convicted or Accused Killers, discrepancies between evidence and narrative, discrepancies between physical evidence and testimony, Manson Exposed A Reporter's 50 Year Journey into Madness and Murder, Manson Speaks: Inside the Mind of a Madman, MANSON The Live and Times of Charles Manson, movie review. Sanctimonious, elitist narcissist is more like it. I think if it has any legs it makes it worse if they were stalking the house- can you say 'premeditation' or 'conspiracy'. Some people are just wired differently and motivated by different things. Like how about BILL Clinton. Lots of Hippies were thought of as people that stole, didn't work, openly espoused drugs, were anti authority and anti establishment, sponged, dropped children all over the place and exposed their kids to things no child should even be aware of. With the events leading up to the TLB murders, one is very naive to think the trip to Venice was just for no real reason. It's always the Charlie supporters who make those statements and spread those stories about other motives. Now, give me an approximation.A. people who assert their opinions as biblical truths.I am not picking on him, but just by way of example, Saint said."The real Losers in this entire sage are the victims and their families".First of all, no offense but that is a "duh" statement to the point of being a cliche.Second, it is said that you can't compare pain any more than you can compare love. Dec. 3, 1969, Concord, N.H. - Linda Kasabian, right, covers her face as Los Angeles Police woman Joan Simpson escorts her from Court House to start the trip back to California. It is usually something unrelated to what they are being asked like Krenwinkels Sharon wasnt supposed to be there comment I read about somewhere. But so much was made of that in the aftermath of her 2009 revelation by those that thought they'd found Linda's smoking gun, that the facts were not examined and as a result, what is in fact a rather damp squib is felt by some to be the tip of the iceberg of Kasabianesque deception.During her time on the stand, lots of really interesting, but essentially unimportant stuff was brought out by the defence lawyers, Fitzgerald & Kanarek in particular. And the wallet, as you've pointed out, was found on Parent.You don't agree. And then there are universal "changes" in "perceptions" that take place over extended time. Later in 2009, Cineflix Production Company tracked her down and in their docu-drama titled Manson she elaborated on what happened during her four week time with the Manson family. I can still see Bill Nelson (Molesto)'s banner headline when he did the Lady Dangerous report. So it's not as though there isn't some kind of precedent for stuff being revealed after the fact. Bruce, Tex, Leslie, Susan, Pat, Clem and Bobby all in one way or another made something of their lives without imploding. The only possible explanation, is that on that particular day she forgot it back on the ranch and only brought her library cardIt's not the only possible explanation. But that's a subjective judgement. St Circumstance saidDoes it carry any weight that The Actual Killers say they went there to ignite H/S?? I think it gives some fairly revealing insights into Kasabian's personality (disorder?) Of course, I never thought she was an innocent flower child, like VB made her out to be, but he needed her as a witness. Besides, counsellor, J. Edgar Hoover head your the FBI agrees with me. Aside from what she wrote, in her 1978 parole hearing she stated "so that at the time that even that I was on the witness stand and gave all my testimony, at that time of my testimony, I was expecting any day really for the world to come to an end at that point on the witness stand. She turned State's Evidence and received immunity in exchange for her testimony, which was without a doubt, the most damaging to the family. Believe it or not the closest I think I could get would be Atkins because IF you believe Kasabian she didn't kill anyone. In my opinion then and only then does the 'immunity' award begin to raise doubts in the minds of the jurors regarding her credibility. I have for the past many years looked at these crimes from the prospective of how I might have handled the defense. Bugliosi said. I don't care if he lived another two hundred years of apparent decency - the amount of evil that he generated in that August month was just to extreme to ever cut him any slack. But still, nobody is going to argue if you apply terms like bad and evil to Tex. The reasons why she did so make for an interesting set of discussions but are essentially secondary to me.I use positive phrases for all kinds of people that have done awful things because there is no such a thing as someone totally bad or totally good. There wouldn't have been any need for any of these victims to have been murdered so mercilessly. Two people had spread that around long before Linda herself was even arrested. ?Most definitely.Both were at different stages and had come through different experiences.However.there were also some similarities. I doubt it. If you read this post and think Linda is someone to pity and use positive phrases for, or defend- that is cool as the other side of the pillow. So even if Kasabian was a Hippy, when pared down to essentials, Hippiedom was hardly presented as an advert for something wholesome. ?Here, here! You can barely hear the dialogue and the transcript is full of "(Unintelligible)" and there are things she actually says that are not written in the transcript. I hope I do thatI think you do.This is a good piece. Manson himself went inside and tied the victims and then left along with her and few others instructing the rest of the family members to kill them. After that it is Bugliosi, not Kasabian who is testifying. Same with Shea. But I do think that atmosphere at the time contributed to the events. "I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. But the day after the Tate murders, she went to deliver a message to Beausolei and was turned away because she didn't have proper ID. Susan's deal was that nothing she said could be used against any of her co~defendants and there was no evidence that Linda had been along on either night.Atkins claimed that the prosecution steered her into recanting but it was she who kept insisting on seeing Charlie, after which, she recanted.One wonders how he would have spun Sadie if he needed her instead of turning this obvious piece of trash into a little angel? I read this post and it clearly paints a picture to me that maybe others see differently. She participated in terrible crimes, and then left her child with the people who she knew committed them.Then she flipped on those people too.Who could trust Linda? Charlie out and free. I did know that that was, the plan was to murder two women inside the house. Over here in Englang, 'moving the goal posts' can mean altering the rules/argument as and when one feels like it. Linda wanted to patch things up and therefore went to Los Angeles. Did she play well with others?That job as an aide at a nursing home sounds so kind and sweet. Then I put it together with Irving Kanarek bringing June Emmers down to testify as to what a liar Linda was and some of the other things the defence exposed about her and despite Robert's point about the guy that spent 30 years inside because his lawyer never had his gun checked to see whether the bullets matched, I find it extremely difficult to believe that she was going to lie about the licence, especially as it was so easy to check on it and it would have severely dented her credibility. Linda Kasabian is a former member of the Manson family, a desert commune led by the infamous cult leader Charles Manson. All I am saying is that if your going to make a case for sympathy or redemption- who is a better choice? I have a terrible habit of taking this too personally. You say Linda had some things going for her but her Mum recognizes that she was deficient in Linda's life, paying more attention to her siblings and not really being there for Linda at that critical point when someone who is in that vital crux between adolescence and young adulthood really needs a listening, tolerant but firm and experienced, caring and guiding hand; her stepfather, as many have found with theirs, doesn't appear to have played a valuable part in her life; she saw her actual Dad twice in 15 years. He asks her again and she reaffirms the timeframe. After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. LINDA KASABIAN Wally Fong/AP; Bill Hudson/AP THEN After two failed marriages and the birth of her daughter Tanya, Kasabian, 20, joined Manson's commune at Spahn Ranch in July 1969. Now that is a great question and I decline to answer on grounds I might further incriminate myself. But I'll say no more and wait for the film to be released.Also, if you believe what is written in the Guinn book, while she didn't say Kasabian engaged in any violent acts, she claims she didn't do any of what she said on the stand. Her testimony in the Watson trial {can be found at Cielodrive.com} is a real eye opener and fills in some details that hadn't been readily available. But when I compare the before with the after in Jay's death, for me there's no comparison.The question is why would Atkins leave Sharon, alive and alone, in the house to take this little stroll?Going to get a knife from Linda, struggling with Frykowski towards the front door, shouting to Tex for helpThere is no one inside. She chose to be the way she wasBut not in a vacuum. Manson Mythos saidKrenwinkel never said the motive was Helter SkelterImportant and true.However to dismiss her writing of "Healter skelter" in blood at a murder scene when she'd been told to leave a sign {the night before} ~"you girls know what to write"~ is bias on a grand scale.She herself could not explain, during the penalty phase debacle, why she had written those words. I've never thought of it like that. It also partly explains why she never went to LE {not that that was uppermost in her considerations !}. Fresh meat! Thank you, orwhut, for lightening the mood. Damn that clock radio. There were a number of details like this that came out, even worse ones during the Watson trial. That is cover something up, replace it with something dramatic to help my caseI guess there's absolutely no possibility whatsoever that her story was true.Why would any lawyer not want to help their case ?Bug said Linda wasn't involved in any trouble prior to being at Spahn, yet he forgets she did admit to dealing drugs Did he actually say that ? ?Leslie & Tex are the only ones that have stated that categorically and have remained with it. Scared she wanted to drive away, but could not as her child was at the Spahn Ranch. It must have taken a lot of time and effort to research and put this post together. That's 3 times in a week. Or for that matter, totally good.quoting Bugliosi is sort of like quoting one of us. Goddamn I am tripping back to like 1998. I can give you a few: By 1974 31% of adolescents with divorced parents dropped out of high school, 33% of adolescent girls whose parents divorced became teen mothers 11% of boys who came from divorced families ended up spending time in prison before the age of 32. In a sense, Helter Skelter and Susan Atkins developed as parallel lines during the investigation. I've also seem Clinton supporters attack elderly people with their fists for having a Trump hat. Don't post that when I'm taking a drink of beer. :-), "When they go low- I get high"or something like that lol. The penalty phase is, according to Charlie {in his "arresting Bobby wrongly" statement at trial}, Steve Grogan {his testimony} and Susan Atkins {"The myth of HS"} what the defence would have been.Overlooking the fact that Atkins sold him out pretty fastShe initially told her cell mates of her involvement in TLB and Charlie's leadership never envisioning they'd tell the authorities. 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